This Civilization is ours to lose!
This post is dedicated to a truly gracious Southern Bell, Gayle.
I've been wracking my brain for almost a year now to fathom the rational behind the Democrat's 'cut and run' attitude (yes, the war was badly executed and we have made innumerable errors) while they know the consequence are catastrophic. Defying logic, democrats counterintuitively want us to lose and surrender and they think it should be our final solution. They want us to give a terrorist state sponsor of terrorism, which has been at war with us since 1979 and has declared their intention of destroying us at every turn, “a grand bargain” and a nuclear bomb. This is their solution to achieve the so-called ‘stability’. Does “stability doctrine” really relevant or would it really work in the age of globalization and proximity and a post-colonial era?
Does this sound like a paranoid emanation of schizoid brain?
The frontiers of our security no longer stop at the Channel. What happens in the Middle East affects us. What happens in Pakistan, or Indonesia, or in the attenuated struggles for territory and supremacy in Africa for example, in Sudan or Somalia--the new frontiers for our security are global...It has taken a generation for the enemy to grow. It will in all probability, take a generation to defeat.
To me, an Iranian-American who can’t be fooled by the MSM about the nature of the Iranian regime (sorry, I can’t hyperlink the content of my cortical brain to all of my liberal readers who are obsessed with getting their facts from Google) no matter how many smiling mullahs (see murderous Khatamis visit to US) they invite to the National Cathedral in Washington to present a kinder and gentler Islamic Republic of Thugs, all of this seem like a sick joke. So, why such a systematic attempt to distort, deny (Kossacks call it "terrorism canard"), sugar code sober assessments, minimize the truth about the Islamic militancy that has been sweeping the world since 1979 and funded by the Islamic Republic of Kleptocrats? Why are the democrats rooting for us to fail in Iraq at the expense of our national and strategic security and perhaps the end of our Western Civilization, as we know it? I think I have finally figure it out; in a nutshell: Democrats are control freaks.
To begin with, they are consumed with hatred for Bush and second, they are not in complete control of all 3 branches of government. Conceivably, they would get on board with the war on terror if the nation elects a democrat as our commander-in-chief in 2008.
Reasons for US to stay in Iraq are simple and transparent to those who understand our way of life and regard it as sacred as I do. I confess our way of life may not be perfect but it's the best any society has ever created. I see this ideological war not as a ‘clash of civilization’ because civilized society don’t clash. I see this ideological conflict as a continuation of an old struggle between domination of the world by the corrupt Petro-Islamic clergies who have no skill other than brainwashing poor, uneducated masses into drones--who will ensure their cash flow by blowing themselves up in hopes of debauchery in the after-life-- and the modern world that has already gone through this stage in its history. Andrew Coyne explains it much better than I ever can:
What seems to be happening isn't so much a clash of civilizations, as it is a clash of concepts of civilisation: Much of the Islamic world remains largely what philosophers call a "perfectionist" society. On perfectionist views, it is the function of society to promote the moral and spiritual perfection of each person, according to a shared conception of the good life. In a perfectionist society, there is no distinction between church and state, or between law, religion, and morality.The West – or perhaps better, Christendom -- used to be a perfectionist society, oriented around a common and publicly enforced vision of human excellence. That's why we felt the need for things like Crusades and Inquisitions. Then we had schisms, reformations, and whole lot of religious warfare. As Christendom became the West, it (gradually) ceased to be a perfectionist society organized around common moral values (“the good”) and became a society organized around certain liberal principles (“the right.”)What is important to note is that our ancestors in the West didn’t choose our liberal freedoms because they woke up one day and decided that they preferred liberalism over perfectionism. It is that they eventually realized – after centuries of fighting about it – that the only alternative to religious toleration was perpetual war. But religious toleration is the thin edge of the liberal wedge. Once you allow a man to say that he has different Gods than you or that there is no God at all, it is hard to set any principled limit on what anyone can say, about anything at all.Looked at it from this perspective, Fukuyama’s thesis of the "End of History" comes across not as a final triumphalist victory for the West, but as the inevitable consequence of the exhaustion of reasonable alternatives. Liberalism isn't a reflection of our deepest values, but a second-best regime more or less forced upon the societies of the West.This is why, when the protesting Muslims carry placards that read “damn your freedoms,” they are missing the point. Not everyone here likes the consequences of our freedoms, either. It isn’t that we chose liberalism because we thought it would be nice to have high divorce rates, huge drug problems, a debased popular culture and a general lack of respect and civility. That’s just what we’ve ended up with, because the cost of clamping down on these things is too high.Bernard Lewis and other commentators on Islam like to note that Islam has never had a proper reformation or enlightenment. Yet unlike the West, which more or less had to arrive at liberalism by groping through the solution space, Islam has our experience as a guide… It would be extremely unfortunate if the Islamic world had to go through what Europe went through a few hundred years ago. It would be nice if we could just point to our experience and say, look, we tried all the alternatives and they don’t work. This is where you are going to end up, so why not just get started. But that obviously won’t work, because this would be to posit a “stages of civilization” view, which is exactly the sort of moral superiority and arrogance that the muslims are protesting.Where that leaves the world, is very hard to say.
Actually, it’s not that hard to predict where the world is heading given historical facts on Islam. My answer is not for the ones with delicate constitution to accept. In this clash of ideas only one will survive, the other would be completely destroyed, subjugated and compulsory re-educated, as was done to Nazi Germany and imperial Japan and currently in Iran [see systematic Islamization (aka subjugation via Sharia) and Arabization of Iran by the mullahs since 1979 and the Islamic conquest of Iran in the six century]. No peaceful coexistence of West with militant Islam is possible, and all analogies with Cold War are self-deception. Eschatological death-cultists cannot be deterred; they can be only exterminated. This is Manichean war, indeed, just as WWII was. God Bless America.
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Bravo, Serendip! I can't think of a post I would be more honored by having it dedicated to me. I don't know what I did to deserve it, but thank you just the same. :)
Very logical deductions here; I believe your conclusions make sense, which is why they won't make sense to many of the Democrats in office right now and certainly not to any of the left-wing moonbats running around this country. We have let things deteriorate until the slippery slope of the left has become a landslide.
Thanks again, hon. Kudos! :)
Having read Fukuyama's book, referenced in Coyne's above summary, one must wonder what nudged this former neoconservative associate of Paul Wolfowitz:
He said that he would vote against Bush in the 2004 election [4], and said Bush made three major mistakes:
The threat of radical islamism to the US was overestimated.
The Bush administration didn't foresee the fierce negative reaction to its benevolent hegemony. From the very beginning it showed a negative attitude towards the United Nations and other international organisations and didn't see that this would increase anti-Americanism in other countries.
The Bush administration misjudged what was needed to bring peace in Iraq and was overly optimistic about the success with which social engineering of Western values could be applied to Iraq and the Middle East in general.
-Francis Fukuyama-Wikipedia
..apparently he is joining his other pre-emptive military action
friend Richard Perle?
Gayle: I'm so glad you enjoyed it and thank you for the kind words.
BB-Idaho: As an Iranian-American and an ex-muslim who grew up in the ME (first 15 years), I don't need any neoconservative or a think tank guru to tell whether the terrorist threat from the Islamists in Iran or any other Arab countries are overestimated or not. I saw this threat when I was 15 years old and had just moved to the US. I warned all of my American friends but was always mocked and ridiculed as a paranoid little shy girl. I was always warning that muslims who hate America should not be allowed to come into the US and it was alway puzzling to me why they would want to begin with. I argued for years with my friends and was told that I don't understand how democratic societies work... After 9/11, I felt vindicated and I knew I was not crazy...Muslims plan for long term(often centuries ahead). They are a very patient bunch. It took muslim Arabs to conquer and defeat the Persian Empire (Iran and Iranians) for almost 100 years in the 6th century.
I highly recommend you read Khomeini's book "the Islamic Government" and attend a few mosques and visit a few ME countries and then judge for yourself.
Given your background, I take your judgement at face value: no desire
to visit the ME! Perhaps you can
enlighten me regarding the "Islamic
Government", as it would appear that in this day and age, Islamic
Law is archaic, and any thinking or progressive Moslim would be more comfortable under 'western' type gov't...I know I certainly would not want to return to the
Christian Middle Ages.....
Doing nothing in the Middle East, save strive for economic 'stability' was a goal of the 'Realists' in foreign policy, and got us the mess of radical islam, non-Nation State terrorism that cannot be addressed by mere military means of the Union and a stasis that has not allowed vital demographic shifts to take place in that region. These were the exact same folks who did not want to fix the problems caused by the original drafting of National boundaries after WWI and left the place in a metastable condition for decades. Something that all the wonderful 'post-war analysts' and those decrying same have *missed* in their efforts to exhort sloth in foreign policy and do-nothing-ism. Considering that all these fine folks CAUSED the problems by not adhering to the original outlines after WWI, allowing unstable regions to be pushed together, backed autocrats and aristocrats tied to extremists in religion... actually doing nothing *now* is a positive guarantee of even worse things than a mere 3,000 dead one bright September morn.
The last time America ran from her responsibilities to an Ally, millions died. Well, it is a small world now and there is no place to run, no place to hide and 'lets all get along together'ism doesn't work too well when some folks not only *don't* want to get along together, but would prefer you in a non-free state of being or just plain dead. The flaccid response of the intellectual elite in the West is appalling. Unwilling to stand up for personal freedom and liberty, they cannot form a rational basis for having *rights*. Worse are those that will place *anything* above fighting... which means slavery as that, too, comes before fighting when that is placed dead last. If you don't want to be enslaved that means you must be willing to fight before that, somewhere, sometime. And if you do *that* then criticizing people who put it a bit higher on the scale of things they will not submit to is being morally relative and disingenuous, both. Most un-PC to make that distinction as all value systems should be equal in that conception... and if they *aren't* then a good reason for valuing one higher than another needs be put forth. And that means one must have a *bias* in outlook. I am personally biased for civilization, the universal rights of man to be free and the opposition of Empire wherever it tries to stand up as it is *always* the enemy of Liberty.
When you remove a tyrant you stick around to help people up out of the chaos that results and get them able to stand on their own two feet to handle things. That can take a fair while. Maybe, someday, Germany will finally feel ready to do that as Japan is now. Took a fair bit after the initial war in the Philippines in 1901 to get the worst of the insurgency beaten back, there. A few global phenomena like world wars, depression and having to recapture the place delayed things a bit but they finally did ask us to leave... and we did. The volcanic explosion was *their problem* then, but we stood ready to help those we had helped stand up to be Free. Not a great record that, but far better than the Wilsonian adventure in Haiti, which proved to be a fruitless, feckless nightmare due to the US political class. The UN hasn't done much in Kosovo since 1999... mind you Afghanistan and Iraq have both been freed, put together constitutions and held free elections while Kosovo has just stagnated. But that, too, was a Wilsonian 'good idea' by the Left. As was Somalia until folks started to get killed. Can't say I think much of Reagan for bugging out of Lebanon, either, when Hezbollah backed by Syria and Iran had only bombed the US Embassy once and then the Marine Barracks... they bombed the Embassy again as a reminder they were still there afterwards. Running has just worked out so well! 300,000 Shia Iraqi dead because Bush 41 could not keep a promise to anyone there.
No, saying it is all a mess and only the fault of 5 or 6 generations of diplomats doesn't let this generation escape the fact that if it does *nothing* then we hand our children a worse world and one that has liberty and freedom threatened more... and with less will to fight the enemies of it. We sorrow over those that we lose in such fights, but to then feed those we save from the boot of the tyrant and throw them into the mouth of the maelstrom of chaos is dishonorable. We are scratched! The pain! And then millions die when we let go of those lifted up from such... and Allies betrayed because we are scratched. We have a lot of bad choices in this world and empowering those seeking empire is the worst of all.
Time to stop running. Put paid to the butcher now. For this one will not be stopped by seas nor armies nor anything save death.
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